Total Running | 21'722 km |
Member since | about 9 years |
Post #388 of 439 |
Dear Alberto
Thanks for your answer. It was longer than mine - a rather rare thing :-) I think, you still miss a few things.
Anyway. My impression is, that your mind is made up, before you have tried RC. Wish you anyway all the best and good runs!
HR
Total Running | 5'163 km |
Member since | almost 2 years |
Post #6 of 6 |
Hi, I’ve been using RC for at least 1 year and I’m getting along well.
I advise you to follow the track that gives you but to customize the training rhythms according to your feelings and expectations.
Example : if he shows me the slow at 6 per km I usually run it at 5.30 and I do it at 5.30.
Sometimes he shows me the repeated too slow and I do a little faster without egarerare though.
Ultimately try to use it as a track and then you put some of your own.
However apart from this to me the race forecasts so far has always guessed !
Total Running | 0 km |
Member since | about 1 year |
Post #2 of 2 |
Thanks Hansruedi for the quick and honest reply. I'm still not convinced though.
It was my 3rd marathon, the first two ended OK but with a lot of struggles due to cramps (the first marathon I drank very little and it was very hot) and GI issues (the second marathon I drank too much). I could have run the 3rd for a 6'/km but decided to stay slightly lower... once you get to the 30km mark, speeding up will not make a big impact on your PR if not risking it all.
For my 3rd marathon the preparation was a plan that started with improving my MAS, then slowing down my long runs and inserting marathon pace tempo slots. Now, if I wouldn't challenge my body with speed work to gain on MAS, or if I instead would run tempo's with a comfy pace that I know I can keep for hours, how am I supposed to get better? Your points are valid for basic endurance and long runs, where your body feels more and more comfortable with the effort the more you run at slow speed, and your heart gets used to, but not for marathon pace work and speed work.
Clearly, if I would want to start a plan to run a marathon in 3h30 right now, that would be crazy and the software should warn me about it, telling me that I could... if I would start training for it 2 years in advance. A lot of people have improved given time, effort, and challenges that were not excessive but instrumental to a purpose.
That's what a custom plan should do IMO. To give you a measure of what is feasible (if I ask the plan to prepare me for a 4h10 from my 4h20 in 16 weeks, is that possible or am I risking injuries?) and then to push you with specific and effective training to close that gap (do I miss speed? endurance? do I run my easy runs too fast? is my speed work done wrong?). How can the training be tailored to my improvement needs, if it doesn't even take into account what my objective is?
Unfortunately I have the feeling Running Coach uses only a pace calculator to create the 'customized' workouts... In facts, if I use the pace calculator provided, I end up with the same results! So I could run today the 4h19' marathon of Tokyo without even training! Great.
Or is Running Coach asking me to run faster or longer than the plan provided, so that it can re-adjust? That would mean I would make my own plan to prove the system wrong? Definitely I would be risking injuries here.
Also, the training Running Coach has put together for me asks for a long run of 2h20 on week 2 out of 16, and of 2h40 on week 3, and of 3h on week 5. What am I going to do in week 12 to peak my training, a Ultra? Thanks but I achieved my modest 4h20 with much less effort, I don't think I need all this to get to 4h19. And when in the past I've run for 3h, it took such a toll on my body that it jeopardized the next training week. Considering also I would like to run a 10k in 4 weeks (as indicated in the settings page) and the 42k in 16 weeks, shouldn't my first part of the training based on speed work instead?
And yes, I'm free to not to use RunningCoach, and I will not and I'll stop here. I was just extremely surprised how this one goes against everything I have experienced so far on my skin, I thought I was missing something on how to use it...
Total Running | 21'722 km |
Member since | about 9 years |
Post #387 of 439 |
Good morning Alberto
The most important point for me is: when you train with RC, you reduce the risk of getting an injury. No plan can guarantee that you will improve your time by say 20 minutes. The plan is the way to train your body for a better performance. What this will be - run and see. RC is not as hard as other plans. But having tried two other plans, I got injurys withing a few weeks. So I quickly restartet RC.
RC might be a bit conservative. Other plans promise big improvements in your fitness. But this is not a question of plans but of training. And this is a matter of your age, your fittnes etc. 10 k in 51 Min. is OK, 4:20 not bad for a beginner and fits to 51' Would it make you happy if RC promises 4:07, you start like that and hit the wall after 32k, to end with 4:24? Or you start for 4:19 and you finish 4:15 and say "Take that, RC..".
I can tell you: I beat last year my PB in Berlin (2019) by just a few seconds. Even though I was 3 years older, the conditions were different... Of course I could have trained without a plan - I'm running for years now. Or I could have taken just one out of the internet, you find 4:00 plans easily. But would that make me faster, if I run in every training 20 seconds/km faster than what I atually can? Maybe. Or maybe I will hit the wall earlier, ending at 4:07. RC always starts from what you can, and it does all the calculations for every training, considering your holidays, your prio I and II competitions,... Or course: you can do this by hand. Or just fake your data until it fits your expectations.
Hansruedi
Total Running | 0 km |
Member since | about 1 year |
Post #1 of 2 |
So, explain please to me why I should pay to train with RunningCoach:
January 2023 I run a 10K in 51'. In September 2023 I run the Berlin marathon in 4h20' and actually realized I was too conservative throughout the race, still I'm sure I couldn't run it below 4h yet.
Today I ask RunningCoach to prepare me for a 10k in January 2024 (lowest priority) and for the Tokyo marathon beginning of March 2024 (highest priority).
The forecasts are the following:
- 10k in January: 58'
- 42k in March: 4h19'
So thanks to your software I'll get worse for the 10k and 1' faster for 42k. I so totally need this plan.